A Question on microglanis

grokefish · Post by **grokefish** » 07 Sep 2007, 15:40

My question is:-

Why are they patterned the way they are?

This is a serious question.

Matt

sidguppy · Post by **sidguppy** » 07 Sep 2007, 15:46

a substrate of scattered leaves and sandy patches in combination with water that is a bit brownish from all the tannins and rotting wood....they are virtually invisible when moving around in such a habitat.

grokefish · Post by **grokefish** » 07 Sep 2007, 18:14

Have you seen them in the wild Sid?
They certainly look like they are patterned for that reason.
However Shane, who has collected them in the wild wrote:-
Collecting location: Venezuela, Estado Miranda, Rio Merecure, Rio Tuy Drainage. Collected from the Rio Merecure near the bridge that crosses the river on the road between Caucaqua and Higuerote. Water was very clear and flowed at a moderate to strong pace. Substrate was exposed bedrock and fist-sized stones. No aquatic vegetation present. Microglanis were collected in the riffles and along the banks among the root systems and overhanging terrestrial vegetation. Water chemistry: pH 7.2, 60 ppm GH, 76-80F (warmer in the shallows). Also collected were: one species of pike cichlid, Acara sp. (Blue Acara), Hypostomus sp. fry, various tetras (mainly Astynax bimaculatus), Hoplias tetras, and Characidium darter-tetras.

Which does not suggest a leaf litter situation to me.
That is why I asked the question.

Bas Pels · Post by **Bas Pels** » 07 Sep 2007, 19:40

I did collect my microglanis myself - in the Aroyo tropa vieja near the town Salinas (30 km from Montevideo), Canelones, Uruguay.

Most likely it is another species, but this arroyo is quite dirty, dark and unplanted. Apart from the soil, and some stones also some organic matter was around (Uruguay does not have a natural forest, it's an open, priarie like landscape).

Current was not much (hardly any rain in 2 months) but the water was clear

I saw 1 pair of Gymnogeophagus meriodonalis (no lolors though)but a lot of catfish: Hypostomus, Corydoras, Microglanis and Pimelodella

grokefish · Post by **grokefish** » 08 Sep 2007, 11:10

So was the substrate a muddy leafy substance or as Shanes description stoney?

Matt

Bas Pels · Post by **Bas Pels** » 08 Sep 2007, 13:12

muddy - of the dissolved clay kind

grokefish · Post by **grokefish** » 08 Sep 2007, 13:32

I see

apistomaster · Post by **apistomaster** » 08 Sep 2007, 17:12

Matt,
Disruptive coloration such as that of Microglanis, is usually effective in a wide variety of conditions. Add to that they may have an ability to moderate their pattern intensity and you have fish able to "disappear" into most any back ground.

grokefish · Post by **grokefish** » 08 Sep 2007, 21:14

My reason for asking this question is actually because I wish to have a go at breeding them (on purpose rather than accidentally) and would like to arrange it so as to have a typical bumblebee biotope to observe in a more natural setting.
I know that I have viable stock after my accidental breeding a while back.

Matt

Post by **Shane** » 09 Sep 2007, 09:57

My theory on fishes with this general pattern (and as apisto pointed out they can moderate this pattern) is that it mimics shadow (dark areas) and light coming through the water (cream/white areas). In other words, it is a pattern useful in may environments because it is adapted to hide in the water itself instead of to match a specific substrate (like gray Chaetostoma) or structure (like the bars on Discus).
It would take days of underwater obervation to prove, but I'll bet the pattern is kept light on sunny days and dark at night and in shaded areas.
-Shane

grokefish · Post by **grokefish** » 10 Sep 2007, 09:24

Thats a really interesting theory it sounds good to me and something that I will keep an eye on as the microglanis in my tank come out all the time day and night.
By the way the females are getting really fat again so there could be a possibility of something interesting happening soon.

Matt

apistomaster · Post by **apistomaster** » 10 Sep 2007, 22:15

Matt,
If they spawned before you already must have done something right.

I would give them a choice of various areas consisting of fine sands and leaf litter. Also thickets of wood and some caves.
Then I would attempt reproducing the dry season followed by a wet season along with all the live foods I could supply. I know this is not an especially original approach but it seems to work on many rarely spawned SA fish. Basically a little benign neglect followed by intense pampering.
I wish you success with your project. I always thought cracking this fish and Banjo Catfish would be interesting challenges.

grokefish · Post by **grokefish** » 11 Sep 2007, 19:54

Thanks Larry,
That will be what I will be doing, I think that these fish probably spawn in many peoples tanks without them knowing it. But you think of the chances of survival for baby microglanis in a tank that contains other microglanis. Pretty slim I would have thought.
As my tank contains a number of them I will have to watch very carefully in order to step in at the right moment and get the others out.
Matt