ID please

[jac]

Hi,

1,5 Weeks I've had my breeding groups. I never had any pleco's before only breeding groups of corydoras. One mistake after the other I made, blinded by happiness.
After a reply from some one here on the forum I started to dought the ID of some of my pleco's. I just took the owners word for it and assumed they were correctly divided into L66 and L333. Yesterday I was sure I had a L66 in with the L333 and I caught him today.
So I made the dissision to catch some more and take fotographs of them for a good ID.

If you would please ID the following pictures for me I would be very greatful.

No 1, side

No 1, from above


No 2, side

No 2, from above


Others still in the tank






Because no2 is different in pattern I wonder if this is also L333 or not?
The others, 7, have the same pattern as no1. Some are a little darker.

My second question would be if they are juveniles or (young) adults. They messure about 10-11cm. I would like to breed with this group but if they are to young I'll let them mature first and wait till they are ready.

I would really apriciate your help.

Thanks! Jacqueline

[Jon]

These do not seem to be the same fish you posted in your topic, but these are probably 401.

[jac]

I know, thats why I am asking if these are L333?
It was you that made me think again about the ID of these fish.

The photo's shown in my earlier post was infact the L66 (the stray I caught today) and not the correct ones like shown above.

[Jon]

Oh, sorry. I misread your initial post.

[rickylbc]

I have 9 of these, it was sold to me as L-333 Yellow King Tiger..

[jac]

Just been looking up L401. And I must say they do look like mine. But then, they all look a like...... They said the L333 is caught in the same river as the L401 but in different places. So the name or species depends on were the fish is caught. But then they also refer to L318, and also this fish looks like the second fish I show above. The lines are not as straight as on the others.

Pfff, this is hard

[Yann]

Hi!

I concord with Jon...this is L401
Cheers
Yann

[jac]

Thanks
The cat-e-log says L333 will become 15cm. Mine are smaller and are adults (I've just called the owner) around 10-11cm. Is this correct with L401?

Could de No2 be a L318? His stripes are different from the others shown?

[jac]

Hi,

Why do you think it's L401?
What are the things you look at that makes it different from L333?

I've studied the photographs that I found on the cat-e-log. When I think I've spotted something different I look at an other picture and then I don't spot the difference

The only thing I do know for sure is that they are adults and only messure 10-max11 cm. L333 messures up to 15cm according to the cat-e-log.

There were only 4 people that have L401. Can one of you please tell me a little more about them??
Are they simular to L333 to keep?

Sorry for all the questions

Greets Jacqueline

[jac]

I guess my topic and questions are no longer imported for you any more.
I've found that a couple of times here. It's a great forum but there is little intressent in people like me.

I am some one who is very, very dedicated to my fish. They always come first, I want only the best for them.
Maybe you think I'm some teenaged brat but I'm not.

I'm only trying to learn but if I don't get any feedback then I won't bother you with my questions.

All the best to you.......specialy to your fish.

[Jon]

Not all of us visit the site every minute of every day. If you don't get an answer right away it is probably because no one currently browsing has the time or the knowledge to answer your question. There's no need to stir up faux drama--if nothing else, that'll just further repel replies, given that this is largely a straight talking, no-games forum. Just be patient.


401 has thinner lines that are more or less parallel to one another. Otherwise, they are quite similar in bosy shape and size to L-333, and grow to fairly similar lengths.

[andywoolloo]

jac,

do not be upset. Lots of people read all the posts but like the prior poster said, lots of us (me )are not experienced enough to tell you, espeicially with hypans. Plus I am pretty sure the catfish convention is this weekend so many folks are at that.

I read all the posts to learn how to tell tho. And Jon is really good at it.

[Karsten S.]

Hi Jac,

all the hypancistrus species are very similar with respect to food and water requirements. They differ a bit in the size that they can reach and some minor details. If you search for husbandry information of L 401 or any other hypancistrus this will be fine.

A definite identification of hypancistrus is only possible with very few species (like L 46 or L 70), especially the wormlined species are very difficult to identify undoubtfully. The pattern is an indication which species it could be but the pattern is an many species very variable and often changes over the time quite a lot. Hypancistrus are known to crossbreed very easily what further complicates the matter.
I think L 401 is the best guess but nothing is for sure with hyps if you don't know the catch location. Who knows how the next numbered hypancistrus will look like...

Better characteristics are body proportions and number of teeth which is in general not easy to see in pics

Cheers,

[jac]

Hi guys,

Well I'm sorry for my reaction
It turns out that I was getting sick and was very agitated with everything. It's not a really good excuse but it is the truth. Sometimes you just have "one of those days".....

I'm gratefull for the answers you gave me after my outburst Thanks!
I really find this a great forum and I just have to be more unterstanding and pacient for you to reply.

Thanks again
Jacqueline

[Yann]

@ Jacqueline!!

No problem with your reaction..I know how it feels... also I don't have internet at home...I have to wait to go to work to be able to answer... also currently I have to finish a work for my studies...

Back to your fish!!

Yes fish number 2 seems different compare to the others...seems bulkier and higher bodied than the other... it is quite possible it is actually a L318...
To avoid any possible hybridation, I would exclude this from your L401 breeding group!!
As Jon said...L401 has similar body shape than L333, thinner lines as well and acheive smaller adult size as you figure it out
Cheers
Yann