L010a breeding update

[Richard B]

cat-e-log says breeding is unreported but shows pics of fry at varying stages & male guarding the tube etc

[MatsP]

I will write a bit about it.

If anyone fancies writing a bit down a few details about it, please feel free.

Breeds in fairly usual Rineloricaria manner, male guards the eggs in a cave (pipe, around 25mm diameter, according to some reports).

Once it's up (if no one gives me a better idea), I will remove the "fairly".

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Mats

[Borbi]

Hi Mats,

just a few buzz-words from me:
Temperature was always around 24°C, warmer summers were no problem either (I had spawns up to 28°C).
Water was usual tap water, medium hardness, I measure conductivity: 350-400µS, pH accordingly about neutral, 7-7.5.
No tankmates besides some shrimps, this Cherry pest seems to pop up out of nowhere in all my tanks.
Feeding regime mostly industrially prepared food, all I could find. Don´t feed to much; they might be 8 cm TL, but still, such a fish is "nothing".
Breeding in thin, round tubes (both sides must be open). I used cable tubes, ca. 2 cm inner diameter, for fish of approx. 8cm TL.
Spawns about 40 eggs are usual for "pure strain" Leliella sp. "Red", the ones hybridized with R. lanceolata substantially more, I had 120 from one spawn (do NOT mix the two! The real deal already is hard to come by these days); for some time, I had both "types", but abandoned them now, altogether.
The fry spread in the tank right after hatching, so for raising them, I transferred the male with it´s tube to a hatching container 1-2 days before the scheduled hatching. Nothing survives in the tank on it´s own, presumably due to bad food availability.
Raising in a flow-through fry container (something comparable to Farid´s), with at least daily cleaning of the bottom.
Fry of the real thing rather sensitive, I only succeeded with newly hatched brine shrimps in the first week(s), only live food was accepted and not hunted; some good water movement is necessary to constantly spread the food in the container. Feeding later on with your favourite, crushed tablets. I also fed sweet pepper (how do you translate "Süße Paprika"?), the spice from my kitchen. Together with brine shrimps, its the only thing that makes them really red (bloodworms might work too, if you chop them, but never tried that).
Organic food is almost not accepted at all, however, I frequently added stinging nettle to their container, although they probably mostly fed on the aufwuchs growing on it.
Success is still not frequent, I had survival rates around 25-80% during the time I logged that (became lazy after a while).

Raising the hybridized ones is considerably easier, (almost) nor care for cleanyness (at least compared to what I had to do for the real ones), mostly on tablet food, gave me rates of about 80%.
Together with the higher egg count probably the reason why the real ones become extinct through selection by commercial breeders.

Spawning was "randomly regular", for some period, the females spawned almost to day every three weeks, and then, occasionally, there was nothing for months. Could not find a correlation to something, however. Spawns usually after the regular, weekly water change (which is regular at the weekend).

Well, became a bit more than a few buzzwords by now, but that´s pretty much my experiences in a few words.
Hope that helps,

Cheers, Sandor

P.S.: As a final comment from a purist: the "red lizard cat" is not L 10A, such a number does not exist. It´s simply Leliella sp. "Red". Anyway, L 10 is a Loricaria sp., while the red ones are either Leliella sp. or Rineloricaria sp., deping on your individual view of taxonomy. So they can´t be a variant of L 10. But that´s just to calm the nit-picker in me..

[MatsP]

Sandor, thanks for that - it's a bit TOO much to put into the Cat-eLog as such. I'm not sure if Jools would like to put it [tidied up] into Shane's world or not.

But I will work through what you say and try to make a 2-3 lines out of it.

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Mats

[Borbi]

Hi Mats,

yup, figured that. Didn´t really intend to write that much when I started typing, though.
How about something like: breeds in regular (medium hard) tap water, in usual Rineloricaria manner. Thin tubes preferred, both sides supposed to be open. Fry a little sensitive, need some special attention. Rising on live brine shrimps most promising.

If a short article for Shanes World is really wanted, I could wrap that up in a few more words an real sentences. But I´m afraid I couldn´t supplement that with a decent amount of pictures, that was essentially before my picture-taking time. @Jools: wouldn´t take as long as the last addition, got my word for it!

Cheers, Sandor

[pleco_breeder]

Not to push an influence, but I for one would like to see something about the experiences. Raising fry of whiptail types is so difficult/sporatic that any addition to the knowledge base has to be considered a benefit.

Larry

[Jools]

I think what we need to do first is condense some info into the cat-elog page. If anyone (hint hint) then wishes to submit an article in a word document or similar, then I would be delighted to put it into a Shane's World article but this shouldn't be an impediment to getting the clog info updated.

Cheers,

Jools

[Borbi]

Hi,

If anyone (hint hint)

Got it, will do!

Cheers, Sandor

[Jools]

Can I move this into resolved?

Jools

[MatsP]

I've moved it.

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Mats

[cetonia]

Hi

I have one of my males in broad care:
http://www.planetcatfish.com/images/mid ... tank/1.jpg
Regards

Attila