New Brachyrhamdia

[Dave Rinaldo]

From this thread

brachyrhamdia spc ? came in with the acuatus lookyliks

Going to show us the Brachyrhamdia sp.

Here they are

Brachyrhamdia sp(1)

[characinkid]

These are one of my favorites.... where did you find them??

Thanks

[Suckermouth]

That's the most convincing cory mimic I've seen. Cooool.

[mikek]

I brought all 10 brachyhamdia from a lfs were ian fuller works prestwood petzone the owner has a frend in peru who sends him mixed odd fish i also had 2 pimelodella chagresi 4 tatia galaxias 4 monster paraotosinclus 2 masive silver head stander all in all a good day out, ian thought the brachys were b rembarrani i brought them as i liked the look and that they looked like c arcuatus as i have a good group of arcuatus they will be in with them soon, ian has conttacted the shipper for location details and if he can get any more thanks mike

[apistomaster]

Very nice score. They do look like Corydoras arcuatus mimics.
I have never seen a Brachyrhamdia species for sale. Just haven't been lucky, I guess.

[Marc van Arc]

ian thought the brachys were

Brachyrhamdia rambarrani

I have my doubt about that (see link), but what a great species! Should be named B. arcuatus.

i also had 4 tatia galaxias

Any chance of a picture of those? Just to see if they are the real galaxias (which would be very nice).

[kruseman]

Wow, what a stunning Brachyrhamdia !
Great find.

Very nice score. They do look like Corydoras arcuatus mimics.
I have never seen a Brachyrhamdia species for sale. Just haven't been lucky, I guess.

Today I saw a tiny B. marthae between import of Otocinclus. That way I found and bought 3 of them already.
You might want to take a closer look at those tanks at your LFS...

[Suckermouth]

Should be named B. arcuatus.

Haha, I was thinking about what the name should be too. I think B. pseudoarcuatus might be more appropriate, as in "false arcuatus". ;)

[Marc van Arc]

I think B. pseudoarcuatus might be more appropriate, as in "false arcuatus"

I wonder. Wouldn't that name imply that the bowed pattern is false or fake - which it isn't afaics.

[Suckermouth]

I think B. pseudoarcuatus might be more appropriate, as in "false arcuatus"

I wonder. Wouldn't that name imply that the bowed pattern is false or fake - which it isn't afaics.

In this case, "arcuatus" would refer to another species, not the pattern. This is the case with many "pseudo-" species.

Although it occurred to me that the last o in "pseudo" would probably be dropped, making "pseudarcuatus".

[Marc van Arc]

In this case, "arcuatus" would refer to another species, not the pattern. This is the case with many "pseudo-" species.

But isn't the prefix "Pseudo" resticted to genera?
Besides, how is one to know that "pseudarcuatus" refers to a species from another family? I can see the logic in Mystus and Pseudomystus, but things will be much more complicated on species level.
A better(?) option would then be B. pseudocorydorasarcuatus (which is of course only nice for people who like word games with many vowels ).
Btw: too bad someone decided to to name just one Brachyrhamdia species "imitator".
They all seem to mimic another (Corydoras) species and it would have been more appropriate if some reference of that feature could have been found in their species names.

[Jools]

Guys,

Bit dangerous playing with names like this. I'd stop right now or well end up with a really unwanted nomen nudum and I would very much like that NOT to be attributed to this site as its source/cause.

Jools

[Suckermouth]

But isn't the prefix "Pseudo" resticted to genera?
Besides, how is one to know that "pseudarcuatus" refers to a species from another family? I can see the logic in Mystus and Pseudomystus, but things will be much more complicated on species level.
A better(?) option would then be B. pseudocorydorasarcuatus (which is of course only nice for people who like word games with many vowels ).
Btw: too bad someone decided to to name just one Brachyrhamdia species "imitator".
They all seem to mimic another (Corydoras) species and it would have been more appropriate if some reference of that feature could have been found in their species names.

That's true, but I don't think there's any hard and fast rule, although maybe Silurus would have other comments. In any case, the way one would know what the species name would refer to would be the Etymology from the paper. When names are given, authors will give what it means and why they gave the name.

An alternative would be naming it something like the Otocinclus species that is a corydoras mimic (Otocinclus mimulus).

Guys,

Bit dangerous playing with names like this. I'd stop right now or well end up with a really unwanted nomen nudum and I would very much like that NOT to be attributed to this site as its source/cause.

Jools

Fair enough.

[apistomaster]

Nothing personal meant by saying this with regards to planetcatfish or any poster but fish have acquired names under something as trivial as the first mention in any media showing a new fish with an ad hoc name. These names then become embroiled in a later controversy.

[Jools]

Indeed, Brachyrhamdia sp. "arched" might be the best bet as we do need to call it something!


Jools

[MatsP]

An example of a specific epithet with "pseud" in it is

Imparfinis pseudonemacheir

. That's the only one in the Cat-eLog as far as I've been able to find [and I used the name search, so unless there's an incorrect spelling or some such, I'd say that's all there is in CLOG - there may of course be other alternatives to "pseud", like "semi" for example, as well as other synonyms to "false", such as "fake", "forged", "counterfeit"].

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Mats

[bronzefry]

Dave,
Beautiful fish. What kind of tank are they in, etc? The barbels are so stunning.
Amanda

[MatsP]

I don't THINK anyone commenting in this thread has any. There was a post in the ID thread where someone had one (or more?).

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Mats

[Dave Rinaldo]

Dave,
Beautiful fish. What kind of tank are they in, etc? The barbels are so stunning.
Amanda

mikek (Michael Kirkham) bought all 10 that came through the shop where Ian Fuller works.

For those with a subscription to Ian's site......
http://www.corydorasworld.com/forum/chi ... _cat_today

[mikek]

Ian fuller reports that the supplyer has collected more of this spec and possibly other new spec to
inc corydoras
mike

[bronzefry]

Darn. They are on my wish list! I bet they're on a lot of people's wish list, too. My ability to misread never fails to astound. I do love fish that imitate.
Amanda

[The.Dark.One]

These are very nice Mike, although they are not new as such. The now defunct peru-aquarium.com website was selling these back in 2007. I was advised in February 2009 by an ichthyologist that he and a colleague were already in the process of describing it.

[Suckermouth]

I was advised in February 2009 by an ichthyologist that he and a colleague were already in the process of describing it.

Who might they be?

[CoryWally]

I think if T.D.O. had wanted to disclose the scientists in question he would have.

Cheers,
Mark.

[The.Dark.One]

Hi, yes I would rather keep it on the QT at the moment as I wasnt given express permission to share that information. There is also another undescribed species of Brachyrhamdia that was in the hobby a few years ago.

[Jools]

Yes, there also is another one pictured in the Burgess atlas.

Jools

[The.Dark.One]

Yes, there also is another one pictured in the Burgess atlas.

Jools

Hi Jools

I've had a quick look at Burgess, and the one listed as a sp. looks like a faded B. heteropleura to me?

This is the one I was referring to. The ichthyologists doing the work on Brachyrhamdia had never seen this one before. Very similar to B. imitator but never has spots on the body.

[Jools]

Hi Steve,

You may well be right, but then, I suspect there are quite a lot of these out there. If you'd care to send that pic to Mats or I we'd also be happy to add it to the site as a new species too. Either way, it's very interesting to see it.

Cheers,

Jools

[The.Dark.One]

Picked up 4 of these B. sp. 1 today, and 2 juvenile B. marthae (or may be meesi when colour up better)

[The.Dark.One]

This is what the B. sp. 1 are looking like now. All 4 are coming along well.
http://www.scotcat.com/thedarkone/hepta ... a_sp_1.jpg