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Metallic Rocks. Any Geologists?

Post by racoll »

i'm wondering about whether these rocks i have are safe to use in the aquarium?

they're very heavy and have metallic seams running through them (which you can see in the picture)

they're sedimentary judging by the layering, and aren't iron based, as i think they would have shown rust.

the water is soft and slightly acid which i am worrying may dissolve harmful metals into the tank.

the fish appear fine though.

any geologists?


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Post by Silurus »

That looks like it may be a pyrite (iron sulfide) seam. But then, I ain't no rockhead.
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Post by pturley »

This is exactly why Medaka better be careful using a microwave to "sterilize" rocks...

http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9968
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Post by racoll »

i need the "what is my rock section" on the Planet Rock forum!

isn't pyrite fools gold?

it's faily inert isn't it?

thanks for your help.
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Post by MatsP »

I'm fairly sure that iron sulfide will not dissolve in water in any amount that would cause a problem. I will have a look in my CRC Handbook of Physics and Chemistry when I get home. Although my copy is quite old, it's unlikely that this compounds water solubility has changed since it was printed some 15-20 years ago...

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Post by BVS »

What is the yellow rock like in texture? Does it appear to be sandstone (looks obviously like lots of sand stuck together)? Did the yellow come off in your hands when you held the rock, or did it seem quite hard?

On the metal veins, how would you describe their colour? Black with a violet tinge, black-red or something else?

Sorry for all the questions, but I just gotta know :)
Nice pics! Next time you want to take photos of your fish, just pretend you're going to take pictures of rocks, and they'll line straight up for you :wink:
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Post by Lotte »

Hiya, firstly I wanted to say what a great site and forum this is, I just lurked until now :wink: but since someones calling for a geologist I thought I'd etter crawl out of my shell 8)

Iron Pyrite (FeS2), reacts very readily with water (H2O) and free oxygen therein to produce Ferrous Iron (Fe2+) and with more time comes Ferric Iron (Fe3+). The by-product of both of these reactions is Hydrogen Ions and Sulphuric Ions. (SO4).

Here's the Ferrous reaction;
4FeS2(s) + 14O2(g) + 4H2O(l) ---> 4Fe2+(aq) + 8SO42-(aq) + 8H+(aq)

Followed by the Ferric reaction;
4Fe2+(aq) + O2(g) + 4H+(aq) ---> 4Fe3+(aq) + 2H2O(l)

The long and short of all this horrific chemistry :lol: is that adding Pyrite to your fishtank will lower the pH drastically and sooner or later kill your fish. since they will afterall be swimming around in less and less diluted sulphuric acid over time.


I dont think the veins in that rock are Iron Pyrites, if you want to be sure what it is you can do various tests for me and I'll have a go at determining what you've got. Either way mineral veins in any rocks are on the whole caused by metasomatic heating events which leave metal rich veins in a rock. What I mean is, if a rock has veins in it other than just plain old quartz then it isnt a good idea to use it at all 8)

Hope this helps a bit, perhaps I should update a bit and then post my suitable rocks for aquaria article?

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Post by racoll »

welcome and thanks lotte. you seem to know quite a bit on the subject.

you would suggest i removed them? shame, they do look rather nice.

i don't think there's a short term problem as they've been in there for months. but i will take your advice and replace them.

BVS: i agree they do look like sandstone. they are very hard. they don't crumble at all. the veins are silver-grey in colour.

i can take some more close-ups if that would help to ID them.
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Post by Lotte »

8) heehe I'm afraid I do know rather a lot about the subject I study Biology and Geology joint honours at University so it's my thing :lol:

try scratching the seam with your fingernail, then with a copper coin, then with a knife and tell me which leave a mark on it? if you can find a piece of unglazed porcelain such as you might just have a teeny bit of on the base of cups of plates rub it over that and see what colour streak you get if any other than that the sample of whatever it is isnt really obvious enough to find out exactly what it is.

Where did you originally get the rock from? the best place to naturally source pebbles and cobbles from is rivers :wink: since the majority of any reactive minerals within them will have already been weathered out, making the rocks good and safe by then 8)

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P.S: I know about more stuff than just rocks I promise!!! I'm not really boring lol
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